So I guess 250s arent chick bikes anymore

[PhilB]

Originally Posted by Gaolee

In theory, there's no moral basis for authority of any kind. Authority rests on brute force at it's core, and has no other justification. So, there's the philosophical core.

Too bad it doesn't work. But, what the heck. I'm a chick anyway, since the biggest running bike I own is a 675 and the biggest motor I have EVER owned is a 750 (the Norton). Everything else has been 650 or less.

I completely disagree. Having a moral basis for authority is the *whole point* of a theory of natural rights. It's the logical outgrowth of the Non-Aggression Principle. From those it can be (as basically was, in the founding of our country) derived that there is a moral basis for an authority that exists to secure and protect people's individual rights from those who would violate them.

PhilB

[Hybrid]

Originally Posted by PhilB

Or unless lot of people stop whining about how nothing ever changes, while continuing to vote for the people who like it how it is. Like any other party, it's chances are based on how many people support it. And the more that do, the better the chances, and the more that do, the easier it is to convince others that there is a chance. You said "When you figure out how to make it so that we arent paying for it........Ill back ya man. Really I will." When I came up with a response, you turned around and decided "not really; it's too hard".

This is the biggest problem with our system, in a nutshell. The two big parties have an effective lock on power, but the majority of the people are too afraid to support anyone else.

PhilB

nah I had to take a gamble...........couldnt bear the idea that obamanation was going to click in so I had to go with the closest spoiler....mccain.

I voted for paul in the primaries.

I disagree with you on not making it happen but agree with you that bigger government is wrong. Its an oxymoron really for me because I cant see the end of big government in sight and yet Id like to see shared costs for retards going down or even away.

[PhilB]

Originally Posted by Hybrid

nah I had to take a gamble...........couldnt bear the idea that obamanation was going to click in so I had to go with the closest spoiler....mccain.

I voted for paul in the primaries.

I disagree with you on not making it happen but agree with you that bigger government is wrong. Its an oxymoron really for me because I cant see the end of big government in sight and yet Id like to see shared costs for retards going down or even away.

It won't happen until people stand up and MAKE it happen. Government will never shrink itself voluntarily.

PhilB

[Whymista]

I didn't start out as a squid. I had gear a month or two before I got my 250. I was on here err the "other" site for a bit before buying a bike. Only gear I didn't have was pants and boots. Fixed that a bit later. Still haven't gotten pants though.

I love lamp

[Hybrid]

Originally Posted by PhilB

It won't happen until people stand up and MAKE it happen. Government will never shrink itself voluntarily.

PhilB

you know what they say phil........

1 man is a psycho
5 men are a gang
100 men are a cult

10,000 men can start a revolution.........but you had better believe those men will spill blood for the cause

[Smoken Joe]

Originally Posted by PhilB

It won't happen until people stand up and MAKE it happen. Government will never shrink itself voluntarily.

PhilB

Truth but sadly I doubt it will happen without blood or a complete collapse. Big government is like a piramid scheme only with guns. Unfortunatly sooner or later you run out of people to feed off of or rights to take away.


Not saying we should not help each other but it should not be professional parasites calling the shots. Rules only for others or to control of other....You can not do good with evil simple as that.


Oh and I like my 1000 if you have self control and set up the suspension you can out turn just about any 600 on the street. I like my 600 because you can go as fast as any street 1000 if you wip it like a redheaded step child. I would have a 400 if they imported them and made them on the cutting edge. I would look insanely ridiculous but I would enjoy it and that is the real deal.

[PhilB]

Originally Posted by Hybrid

you know what they say phil........

1 man is a psycho
5 men are a gang
100 men are a cult

10,000 men can start a revolution.........but you had better believe those men will spill blood for the cause

Originally Posted by Smoken Joe

Truth but sadly I doubt it will happen without blood or a complete collapse. Big government is like a piramid scheme only with guns. Unfortunatly sooner or later you run out of people to feed off of or rights to take away.

Not saying we should not help each other but it should not be professional parasites calling the shots. Rules only for others or to control of other....You can not do good with evil simple as that. ...

So those are your answers? Give up, they've won, all we can do is wait for the collapse? I hate that answer. It is the easy way out; the answer of wimps. If you're not willing to put in the effort of working to make this country better, you have no cause to whine about how it is or where it's going.

PhilB

[Hybrid]

Originally Posted by PhilB

So those are your answers? Give up, they've won, all we can do is wait for the collapse? I hate that answer. It is the easy way out; the answer of wimps. If you're not willing to put in the effort of working to make this country better, you have no cause to whine about how it is or where it's going.

PhilB

Yeah Phil.........I see you just rallying up the fucking troops buddy. Let me tell you what a great leader you are.

I do my part, I speak my mind constantly and do my best to educate people. I dont sit there and whine on a board and wish secretly for anarchy to take over my existance.

Youre so patriotic and all......... Ill take more notes

[PhilB]

Originally Posted by Hybrid

Yeah Phil.........I see you just rallying up the fucking troops buddy. Let me tell you what a great leader you are.

I do my part, I speak my mind constantly and do my best to educate people. I dont sit there and whine on a board and wish secretly for anarchy to take over my existance.

Youre so patriotic and all......... Ill take more notes

Missed that boat, didn't you? So "speaking and educating" is worthwhile everywhere *except* on a board?

And I am not, nor have I ever been an anarchist. That's one of those bullshit strawman accusations that the leftists make against libertarians. I'm surprised you have fallen for that.

PhilB