Okay so something a bit more serious

[Hybrid]

Yesterday my brother sent me a text message asking if Id seen "3 guys 1 hammer"

Im not sure how many of you have heard of this already but I hadnt. If you havent seen it, I caution you..........this is a fucking 8 minute snuff film. Its the real deal and its so demoralizing Im not linking it for anyone. Google that shit and find it yourself if you want to see it.

The recap for this trophy of human tragedy is that 3 Ukranian guys were basically on a murdering spree. I dont know tons about it but I read somewhere that they had murdered about 30 people.

Eventually these sick fuckers got so bold that they started blogging about their misadventures and finaly they filmed one...........

Look guys, I see fucked up people almost daily. I mean I see shit that most of you never want to see. The fucked up thing is Im almost always there after the fact and I dont get to see just how fucking depraved humans can be. I see the results, not the actions, therefore making it much easier to do what I do.

When I watched this, I felt more compassion for someone than I have treating my patients. To see National Geographic show warring chimpanzee tribes kill other "soldiers" you can see that there isnt pure intent to just torture one another. They just kill. This was nearly the full time of some sick fucks who were absolutely delighted in creating as much pain as possible before killing this poor guy.

Anyways, Im curious if Im the last guy on the train or if anyone else has experienced this tragedy of a story.

If you have seen it, please discuss. If not..........dont watch it unless you can handle this kind of stuff. It was hard for me to watch and I see dead people regularly.

[kman458]

I have not heard of this before even though it does not surprise me in the least bit. I too have seen things that I wish I could unsee and can promise that this film will not be one of them.

[Hybrid]

Im not kidding, all the crazy beheadings arent shit to this. Ive seen several of those and even that is nothing like torture. They typically drug those guys up to keep them compliant as they kill them..........this was insulting to the soul if you have one.

[kman458]

I used to have friends that were PO in the Houston area and used to ride with them as see some pretty gruesome stuff that make those beheading videos seem tame. I have no desire to add anything else to that collection.

[blurr]

Im pretty happy to not have that curiosity gene, Im perfectly ok not tasting a drink someone says tastes like shit. I may watch it just to see if it bothers me as usually things dont, but on the other hand I really dont need it on my mind.

Im glad you brought it up. society doesnt realize how horrible murders can be, I should link it just for phil B so he can tell me why those assholes would deserve to live.

Edit: from a site
http://forum.uncoverreality.com/audi...ver-see-3.html
I digged little bit and found 3 nice young lads who fit the bill for now. They are from ukraine, dnepropetrovsk all aged 19. They are known as dnepropetrovsk maniacs, not much info in english in google but plenty in russian (i searched dnepropetrovsk maniacs in google maybe thats why poor search results in english). They killed 21 people, they started with small animals and moved to humans. 2 murders were filmed, over 300 photos were presented in court. First victim was killed with metal rods, but it took some time so they moved to hammers (this is where they fit in) and continued murder spree killing with hammer. They said in court that they just wanted to have someting to remember when they were old. All photos and videos were found on their computer, videos were filmed with cellphone (as this video). Later on one of the suspect quit and 2 guys continued to murder. Also they attended funerals of their victims, and took pics. Videos were sown in court just recently. So these 3 are good candidates for this video.

[MeinGlänzendMotorrad]

Just watched it. Those guys were amateurs.

[PhilB]

Originally Posted by blurr

... Im glad you brought it up. society doesnt realize how horrible murders can be, I should link it just for phil B so he can tell me why those assholes would deserve to live. ...

You are an absolute expert at completely missing the point. Not to mention we just had this discussion.

I have NEVER opposed the death penalty because I think "assholes like these deserve to live". I oppose it because it gets misapplied to people who do not deserve to be killed; it's too dangerous a power to allow the government to have over free citizens.

Compared to life without parole, it's more expensive, does not make anyone safer, does not deter other criminals, and does no rational good other than satisfying an atavistic revenge feeling. And in a system that is not perfect (which will always be the case), it risks murdering people who are innocent of the crimes they have been convicted of. Risking the death of innocents in order to make you feel better is a poor tradeoff.

So I think it is instead a fair tradeoff to cage people like this, so as not to risk the lives of others who might have gotten caught up in the wrong place, assigned an indifferent public defender or otherwise railroaded, and convicted wrongly. DNA evidence has exonerated several people from death row, showing that the system does fail. Prison sucks, but getting killed sucks worse, and is completely irreversible. At least someone who is discovered to have been wrongly imprisoned can be released to the rest of his life, and some restitution attempted.

Since we've had this discussion several times before, I will not argue it further here. I have stated my case; you can state yours, and anyone who cares can decide which of us is making any sense.

PhilB

[MeinGlänzendMotorrad]

"I refuse to argue this.. but here's a page-long spiel about it."

[silent_r1]

I have enough nightmares already, I can live happily not seeing this. Like you, Hybrid, I have seen plenty of dead people, often caused by their own misadventures or someone elses.

I'll not be watching this.

[MeinGlänzendMotorrad]

These guys did it all wrong. They started with blows to the head - killing blows that take all the fight out of the victim. They went for organs next, with a screwdriver or something - Does too much internal damage, blood loss kills them quickly.

There's no pleasure in the killing. The joy is the pain. You need to be slow, revel in it.

Then again, these guys did it off the side of a road, definitely somewhere they could have been easily caught at any time, which has its own thrill, mind you, so they clearly didn't plan ahead on it.